So, the hand-holding is probably right on par with where she wants to be right now. Clearly you are dating someone who is playing by rules that are outside the normal "3 date" parameters. I think she sounds interested, but also very old-fashioned and is making you do all the work. This is going to be a long-haul situation, and only you can decide if she is worth the commitment.

I never call a guy in the early stages of dating unless it is to return his call. Until we start kissing and becoming more exclusive and expressing more interest towards each other. I always let the guy make the move and works out just fine that. I show interest by accepting dates, if I lose interest I stop dating the guy.

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Now on the other hand I dated a guy for about a month and a half going out every weekend and he would make all these elaborate plans to date me like getting expensive tickets to shows really nice dinner places etc but he never kissed me, I ended up asking him if he just saw me as a friend or what, his response "no but I am waiting to let the chips fall where they may" to which I ended up dumping him. I figured if he is waiting for the chips to fall I don't have another three months to play rullette, and I figured he was not that interested.

Most guys I date can't keep their paws off me even on a first date, or in the least will prod to see if I'll kiss at the end of the night which I don't on a first date. Two or three dates is fine no kiss, four dates it borders on strange, more than 4 he is not that into me and only wants friendship or too shy for my liking either way it's not good enough for me.

If you like her go for it already, once before she puts you in the "just friends" category you are toast. It sounds like you are letting her religious beliefs hinder your romantic pass at her. Try it, she is not that saintly, othewise she would not be out drinking with you all the time. Originally Posted by dreamergrl. Originally Posted by SugarKiss. Originally Posted by Balthazar. That may be part of it Dreamer. You know this is all your fault by the way? You are too far away, so I have to date other women. I dont think the name thing matters.

I don't use names often in general speaking either. I dont say "Hi X how are you" i say "hi, how are you".

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I don't figure they need to hear their name, they know I know it. Also I do tend to let the guy do all the calling in the beginning as well. With the guy I'm seeing now, it's still pretty much that way unless I need to call him about something more urgent like if we are getting together that day or whatever. In general, women seem to be taught to let the man pursue, so you'll find that oftentimes, it's just that. I am confused by your post though, are you 2 women, or no?

Joanne and Maria and both female names, yet you say this woman was engaged to a man, so I'm confused Oh and also about the kissing thing, I didn't kiss him until he kissed me. And it took him a LONG time to do it. Women usually let the man lead on that too.

Oops, now i see that Maria was just a common friend, not a lover. I would have ditched her as soon as I found out she was Christian Taliban to be honest. If you are not Christian Taliban yourself, nothing good will come of it no matter how attractive she may seem man, save yourself the potentially serious heartache.

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Add Thread to del. Dating Dating, courting, or going steady? Things not working out the way you had hoped? Stand up on your soap box and let us know what's going on! Page 1 of Maybe fear of getting involved again? North of the Tropic of Cancer Posts: Originally Posted by dreamergrl Maybe fear of getting involved again? Originally Posted by SugarKiss I never call a guy in the early stages of dating unless it is to return his call.

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Originally Posted by Balthazar That may be part of it Dreamer. Originally Posted by Balthazar She also reveals to me that she canceled her wedding on her wedding day when she found out her hubby-to-be was in a relationship with one of the bridesmaids who was a friend of his.

I was excited to see him. The day I flew into New Orleans, Langston confirmed our plans and as it approached 9pm, he called. My call time was 2pm, so breakfast could work. That next morning, a little after 7am, Langston called me. I was still in bed, forgetting to set my alarm the night before after some Frenchman St.

I hung up and laid back down and after a few minutes, I popped up with a gasp. I took the fastest shower of life and oiled up. I threw on a T-shirt and boy shorts, aka a seduction uniform. I opened it casually, trying my best not to be obvious about my lust, despite my outfit.

I reached up to hug Langston and he squeezed his arms around my waist. We hugged in the doorway for longer than we needed. Langston broke the hug. Langston walked in and immediately sat down on the floor and then he proceeded to lay down. I gave Langston the side eye.

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